“Helping patients with complex illnesses is a lot like rock climbing. You're looking for toe holds and finger grips that you can use to get from where you are to where this patient wants to be,” says Dr. Leo Galland, an internist and author who specializes in undiagnosed or difficult to treat illnesses. His fellow guest on this episode of Raise the Line, co-founder of the California Center for Functional Medicine Dr. Sunjya Schweig, agrees and says figuring out that next anchor point depends on taking the time to learn about all aspects of a patient’s life and lifestyle, and building a cooperative relationship with them. “Listening is the first therapeutic step,” he tells host Raven Baxter of The Cohen Center for Recovery from Complex Chronic Illnesses (CoRE) at Mount Sinai. In this deeply informative conversation, both experts underscore that working in this realm requires moving past differential diagnosis and symptom management and persisting in the search for root causes. “You have to embrace the complexity and the individuality of illness. Thinking for yourself and always questioning is really important and, you know, being a real pain in the butt kind of person is what you've got to be,” adds Galland. This special episode is packed with valuable insights on the limits of testing, the role of disease triggers and mediators, the power of lifestyle changes and much more as our series on Post-Acute Infection Syndromes continues.

Mentioned in this episode:

Mount Sinai Health System

Steven & Alexandra Cohen Foundation