And the Winner Should Have Been...

Bob and Mark

Discussing what movies *should* have won and film generally.

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All the Dunes
21-03-2024
All the Dunes
This is as close as we get to jumping on the bandwagon of popular, recent films. We talk most about the Villeneuve Dune movies, but we also touch on the other iterations. No spoiler warnings in the episode, because the whole podcast is composed of SPOILERS!00:10 Intro - What's going to be covered and not04:50 There is no such thing as "spoiling" a 70 year old story; no spoiler warnings this podcast06:05 Dune, the novel13:35 The story from the novel changes in the transition to film15:55 Jodorowsky's attempted adaptation22:44 Dune (1984) (which we praise with faint damns)32:55 Television vs. Movies for adapting books to screen33:56 Dune miniseries (2000 and 2003)36:30 Dune Parts I and II37:42 Bob's rant38:00 Mark thinks II is significantly better than I39:35 Bob doesn't think II is better than I45:00 The secret goals of the Bene Gesserit46:32 Zendaya/Chalamet and Chani/Paul52:10 Chalamet too young? Too small?55:28 We agree Bardem was excellent; Mark is wrong about Walken not being great58:52 Zimmer and the music01:03:46 Sandwalking and the Rohirrim01:04:37 Mark wants the final battle to be longer; Bob disagrees (and gets in a gratuitous swipe at John Wick 4)01:07:05 (The Death Star battle lasts just under 11:30)01:08:13 Why do the Fremen jaunt off into space?01:12:10 Third film coming?01:12:53 Dune II is overratedNote: Oscar® and Academy Awards® are the trademarks and service marks of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. This podcast is neither endorsed by nor affiliated with the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.Music:Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
12-08-2023
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
Installment number two in our evaluation of the Indiana Jones franchise. (Ugh, it feels a little dirty saying "franchise.") We'll at least get the the third, but no promises about anything further. Very, very mild spoilers for The Sixth Sense (trailer level), and of course SPOILERS! for Temple of Doom. Enjoy! 00:10 Episode 50!03:05 Thinking about Temple of Doom differently after watching it this time05:00 The Sixth Sense (very mild) spoilers05:35 End of The Sixth Sense spoilers09:11 Deliberately low continuity between Raiders and Temple09:42 The time gap between the films within the stories (which Bob gets wrong; it's Temple-1936, Raiders-1937, Last Crusade-1938)11:48 Plot summary14:23 Should Indy have been trading the emperor for the diamond?17:29 Temple of Doom more action than adventure18:46 The absence of Kasdan21:20 What were the big differences between the first two films?27:05 The difference between the objects sought30:47 Rushed production?32:37 Do sequels usually surpass or fall short of the original?36:10 The "banquet"? First the raft!43:06 The bugs!44:01 Amrish Puri and other positives46:33 Ke Huy Quan as Short Round52:31 Child slavery as a plot element53:45 Deus ex machina ending?55:17 Who's that big guard?57:26 Dan Akroyd and... Casablanca... and James Bond?58:39 Wrapping upNote: Oscar® and Academy Awards® are the trademarks and service marks of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. This podcast is neither endorsed by nor affiliated with the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.Music:Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
The Whale
11-03-2023
The Whale
It's a bit late (Bob's fault), but we're working to at least stay close to our intended schedule. This episode we talk about The Whale and clearly our conversation predated the Oscar awards (a bit interesting to hear our predictions after the fact). As always SPOILERS ABOUND! (We even spoil The Wrestler.)00:10 Dudes chatting01:45 The Whale02:59 Plot synopsis06:00 Aronofsky's interest in individuals in forms of isolation08:43 The movie is not about justifying characters or them overcoming problems10:22 Honesty and/or authenticity12:33 Spoilers begin in earnest!14:48 I Told Me So - Gregg Ten Elshof18:22 Liz as enabler/codependent20:32 Other characters - daughter Ellie25:50 Charlie chose this life28:27 Sometimes authenticity is bad, actually32:44 The missionary37:00 Brief spoilers of The Wrestler - skip to 37:31 to avoid39:39 What's the deal with the title?44:09 What do we think in sum about this film?48:53 Oscar noms and chances50:52 Authenticity in acting?57:13 Actually, Letterboxd doesn't do this, at least not free accountsNote: Oscar® and Academy Awards® are the trademarks and service marks of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. This podcast is neither endorsed by nor affiliated with the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.Music:Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
Tár
27-02-2023
Tár
Keeping it rolling with a single Oscar nominated film. This week is Tár, a film about an orchestra conductor that changes jobs. It's worth seeing, though it's definitely a movie for people who really get into movies. Next episode The Whale! We're sorry we missed an episode, but this is how it goes at this price point.00:10 Intro and idle chatter02:34 Chinese food in Vancouver03:37 No one sees the teapot04:23 Tár plot summary and what is the movie about? 11:01 SPOILERS BEGIN!12:35 Is the movie arguing against "cancel culture"?17:45 At what point do we begin to witness Tár's downfall?22:10 How long has Tár acted in this way before it falls apart?25:01 Has Tár lost interest in the music for the music's sake?28:20 Tár's relationships30:51 Bob theorizes about symbolic meaning off the cuff (and is less pleased with the idea listening to it while editing)32:58 The importance of time; manifestations of madness37:37 Exile39:50 Bob meant to say "South Africa" when talking about Justine Sacco42:49 Apocalypse Now reference and consequences43:55 Profumo Affair45:13 Mark thinks the child is... weird? And could the downfall have been avoided?46:29 Ranking/evaluating the movieNote: Oscar® and Academy Awards® are the trademarks and service marks of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. This podcast is neither endorsed by nor affiliated with the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.Music:Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
Top Ten All-Time
06-11-2022
Top Ten All-Time
Because there's about to be a new edition of the Sight & Sound poll for the Greatest Films of All-Time, we decided to tell you what our top ten lists are. Probably not a lot of surprises. But there could be spoilers! (Also, Bob's uncertain if he numbered Mark's movies correctly since he did go out of order and didn't mention the rank consistently each time.)00:10 We've got jokes in the intro02:04 How Bob ranks movies (spoiler: he's a big dork)03:59 Baseball-Reference.com!04:53 How Mark ranks movies (spoiler: it's quite different because Mark has a social life)07:33 How events in our lives affect how we rank movies at different points in time08:45 A note on the BFI Sight & Sound polls and how we'll approach the topic11:27 Bob #10 spot - The Hidden Blade15:05 How are things ranked when they're still new and fresh in your mind?15:56 Mark #10 - Prisoners18:44 How many of Mark's choices will star Jake Gyllenhaal19:16 Is the suspense as done by Hitchcock?20:45 Bob #9 - In the Mood for Love23:53 Mark #9 - Princess Mononoke26:21 Bob didn't like it, but hasn't seen it in a long time27:33 Miyazaki's environmental themes29:14 Bob's wrong about the timeline29:31 Bob #8 - Das leben der Anderen (The Lives of Others)34:00 Mark #7 - The Pursuit of Happyness36:39 Bob is a Grinch37:35 Will Smith playing Will Smith?38:47 Is Bob crazy?39:32 Bob's #7 - The Apostle40:39 Mark #6 - The Empire Strikes Back43:00 Star Wars :: The Matrix45:04 Bob's #6 - A Night at the Opera47:29 The Stateroom scene49:04 Mark #5 - There Will Be Blood51:28 Bob's #5 - Singin' in the Rain53:41 Mark's #1 - 2001: A Space Odyssey55:42 Sight & Sound polls58:21 Did the poll change with the changing demographics of the critics polled?1:00:48 Mark's observations on the list1:02:05 Older movies benefit by lack contemporary mediocrity1:04:28 How objective can one be when rating movies?1:08:07 Does it matter if the movie is in color or black-and-white?1:11:55 What's next for the poll(s)?1:14:49 Bob's #4 - Seven Samurai1:16:10 Mark #4 - The Prestige1:17:13 Bob's #3 - Casablanca1:18:24 Mark's #3 - Blade Runner1:19:15 Bob's #2 - Hamlet (1996)1:21:01 Mark's #2 - Nightcrawler1:22:19 Bob's #1 - Tokyo Story1:23:13 Mark's #8 - The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King1:25:08 Wrapping up1:25:45 Tom Hanks? No, we're done.Note: Oscar® and Academy Awards® are the trademarks and service marks of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. This podcast is neither endorsed by nor affiliated with the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.Music:Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
Yasujiro Ozu
22-10-2022
Yasujiro Ozu
Bob finally breaks down Mark's resolve and gets him to watch a handful of Ozu films. Will their podcast partnership survive? No, seriously though, Bob is a big enthusiast of Ozu's films and Mark does watch them for the first time. Is he similarly enthralled? Repulsed? Indifferent? You'll have to listen to find out. Though all the movies in question are more than 50 years old, if you're worried about spoilers, THEY ABOUND!00:10 Salutations and Bob still can't remember which episode number it is.1:17 Talking about Yasujiro Ozu!1:37 Mark had not seen Ozu before (and has found his clicky pen!)2:38 Ozu's Tokyo Story beat out Citizen Kane for Sight and Sound's top spot in 2012 (Directors' Poll, Vertigo won the Critics Poll)4:14 Ozu is well-known to film professionals, but not to the wider public5:00 The Finnish director whose name Bob doesn't remember is Aki Kaurismäki6:17 Actually 9 years7:51 How we selected the movies to cover for this episode8:45 Why have almost a third of Ozu's films been lost?10:18 Silent Ozu vs. Sound Ozu10:44 How many did Mark watch?12:21 Similar themes throughout Ozu's work16:52 SPOILERS BEGIN! Continue at your own risk19:32 Bob's rationale for choosing the 5 films21:49 Ozu using the same actors over and over25:06 Chishu Ryu's accent26:55 Comparing Late Spring and Early Summer29:23 What was Ozu doing differently in Floating Weeds?31:31 Ozu puts momentous events in between scenes34:21 Ozu, pillow shots, and *that* vase36:52 Other Ozu trademarks43:26 Ill-behaved children45:17 Why spend so much time on marriage?46:49 Demographic changes in Japanese society48:16 Favorite Ozu49:12 The emotional effect of Tokyo Story49:39 The emotional gut-punch of Late Spring50:50 Self-sacrificial characters52:45 Tokyo Story as a spur to self-reflection59:59 The Flavor of Green Tea Over Rice1:04:01 Floating Weeds1:06:14 First try to wrap up and final thoughts1:08:13 Other directors who use the same actors over and over1:08:47 Why are they titled the way they are?1:11:16 The actual conclusionNote: Oscar® and Academy Awards® are the trademarks and service marks of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. This podcast is neither endorsed by nor affiliated with the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.Music:Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcodeNote: Oscar® and Academy Awards® are the trademarks and service marks of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. This podcast is neither endorsed by nor affiliated with the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.Music:Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
08-10-2022
Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
This week we're back in our bag and talking about whether or not the Best Picture winner from the 2015 Oscars deserved the win.  Even though these are not quite 10 years old, we still spoil them with abandon! Enjoy! 00:10 Bob's worst intro ever02:01 Why 2014?03:50 How many of the 8 nominees did we see?06:21 Birdman!09:33 Navel-gazing perspective12:30 We're actors! We're the opposite of people.15:05 Fame at the highest levels19:47 Chicago!20:09 Birdman verdicts22:13 Hail, Caesar! is a better movie about the world of acting22:42 Pandering to the academy23:57 What did the end of Birdman mean?28:14 Boyhood!31:36 It's more interesting what it would be like to make such a movie than to watch this movie32:29 Richard Linklater37:14 Teenagers are not interesting40:18 Wait, we're only two films in at the 40 minute mark?40:39 The Grand Budapest Hotel43:30 What kind of man is M. Gustave?47:40 Bob has only liked 2 of the 4 Wes Anderson films he's seen48:08 The French Dispatch digression49:27 A point of congruence with Birdman51:45 The Imitation Game/Whiplash53:07 JK Simmons as Fletcher54:05 Turing's personal life not that interesting55:53 The wartime stakes in The Imitation Game not well established57:04 Mark Strong as Stewart Menzies59:33 Mark's pick for the best movie of 2014: Nightcrawler1:05:44 Interstellar1:09:09 Our picks for Best Picture1:10:34 The legacy of the Best Picture nominees1:12:05 Mark's technical difficulties1:12:44 Preview of coming attractionsNote: Oscar® and Academy Awards® are the trademarks and service marks of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. This podcast is neither endorsed by nor affiliated with the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.Music:Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcodeNote: Oscar® and Academy Awards® are the trademarks and service marks of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. This podcast is neither endorsed by nor affiliated with the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.Music:Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode