Between Two Bots

Dan Turchin, Mark van Rijmenam

Between Two Bots, a not-so-veiled reference to Between Two Ferns with the great Zach Galiafianakis. is hosted by author and futurist Dr. Mark van Rijmenam and AI serial entrepreneur Dan Turchin, PeopleReign CEO. We’re on the cusp of a tech-driven cultural reawakening so cataclysmic that it’s hard for any one person to comprehend what’s happening. Our relationship with machines is redefining what it means to be human. Our selves are being digitally memorialized in data footprints locked in iron cages we can’t access or see. Our data is being used to govern what we can do and buy, where we can go and how we live. At no point in history have we been so conflicted about what it means to be a sentient being - whether it’s us made of oxygen and carbon or them made of silicon. We need to have a conversation about what this unique moment in history means. On this show, we meet data revolutionaries who are leading the new field of AI ethics, establishing new regulatory frameworks for AI, and reimagining the role of government as tech companies increasingly act as autocrats. We bring you not just fascinating conversations with fascinating guests but context as you wrestle with your own set of existential questions about how you'll co-exist with machines. read less
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Episodes

EP07 - Between Two Bots with Yakaira Núñez
19-01-2022
EP07 - Between Two Bots with Yakaira Núñez
Welcome to a new episode of the Between Two Bots podcast. In this podcast, we discuss the cultural, technological, and ethical implications of artificial intelligence and AI-based decisions. A discussion that we think is so important to have as it affects us all as our relationship with machines is changing. AI is becoming more and more pervasive and has a bigger impact on our lives and the way we work. DEI is the acronym for diversity, equity inclusion and this has become very important today, especially when it comes to AI. Very few people actually work at the intersection of DEI and AI. In this episode, though, we have one of the foremost thinkers on both topics. Yakaira Núñez is the Vice President of Research and Insights at Salesforce. Salesforce has more than 150,000 customers more than 55,000 employees, there really aren't many bigger or more impactful platforms on which to exercise responsible AI coupled with a DEI mindset. The decisions that Kai and her team make influence how software and AI are used literally by hundreds of millions of people every day.As always, we start our episode by discussing three articles and this week’s articles are:AI Ethics: Enter The Dragon (about China’s proposed AI code of ethics) - https://montrealethics.ai/ai-ethics-enter-the-dragon/AI bias and human rights (about why ethical AI matters) - https://www.ericsson.com/en/blog/2021/11/ai-bias-what-is-itAI researcher says Big Tech is doing it all wrong (about Big Tech’s misaligned incentives) - https://screenrant.com/gebru-ai-big-tech-ethics/For more information on Kai Núñez: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yakairanunez/For more information visit https://BetweenTwoBots.comOr you can listen to the audio version using your favorite podcast platform.
EP06 - Between Two Bots with Dr. Dorothea Baur
12-01-2022
EP06 - Between Two Bots with Dr. Dorothea Baur
Welcome to the Between Two Bots podcast. In this podcast, we discuss the cultural, technological and ethical implications of artificial intelligence and AI-based decisions. A discussion that is so important to have as it affects us all. Especially now, that our relationship with machines is changing as we move from human to human, to human to machine, to machine to machine interactions. AI becomes more pervasive and has a bigger impact on how we live and how and the work that we do.This week's guest is Dr. Dorothea Baur. Dr. Dorothea Baur is an independent consultant who provides ethics strategy consulting for decision-makers in tech and finance. At the intersection of technology, society and the environment, companies are often confronted with ethical questions. The challenge is to find credible answers to these questions without losing sight of business reality. She offers consulting, speaking and teaching services on AI & Ethics, CSR & sustainability, and ESG and sustainable finance.Podcast notes:Dr. Dorothea Baur: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dorotheabaur/3 weekly articles:How Big Tech dominates EU's AI ethics group - https://euobserver.com/investigations/153386With Robotics4EU, the EU wants us to believe in responsible AI robots - https://techhq.com/2021/11/with-robotics4eu-the-eu-wants-us-to-believe-in-responsible-ai-robots/Machine Learning, Deep Fakes, and the Threat of an Artificially Intelligent Hate-Bot - https://quillette.com/2021/11/04/machine-learning-deep-fakes-and-the-threat-of-an-artificially-intelligent-hate-bot/For more information visit https://BetweenTwoBots.comOr you can listen to the audio version using your favourite podcast platform.
EP05 - Between Two Bots with Gary Bolles
16-12-2021
EP05 - Between Two Bots with Gary Bolles
Welcome to the Between Two Bots podcast. In this podcast, we discuss the cultural, technological and ethical implications of artificial intelligence and AI-based decisions. A discussion that is so important to have as it affects us all. Especially now, that our relationship with machines is changing as we move from human to human, to human to machine, to machine to machine interactions. AI becomes more pervasive and has a bigger impact on how we live and how and the work that we do.This week's guest is Gary Bolles. Gary leads Lead Singularity University's activities related to the shift to a digital work economy, helping individuals, organizations, and government agencies to navigate disruptive change. A frequent lecturer on the future of work and the future of learning, Gary is the author of "The Next Rules of Work".Podcast notes:David Shrier: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gbolles/3 weekly articles:Mark Zuckerberg’s metaverse may be as privacy flawed as Facebook - https://fortune.com/2021/10/29/mark-zuckerberg-metaverse-privacy-facebook-meta/What we’re getting wrong about The Great Resignation - https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20211028-what-were-getting-wrong-about-the-great-resignationAI and human rights - a different take on an old debate - https://diginomica.com/ai-and-human-rights-different-take-old-debateGary Bolles's book: The Next Rules of Work: https://amzn.to/3F12t5NFor more information visit https://BetweenTwoBots.comOr you can listen to the audio version using your favourite podcast platform.
EP04 - Between Two Bots with David Shrier
08-12-2021
EP04 - Between Two Bots with David Shrier
Welcome to the Between Two Bots podcast. This is the podcast where we talk about the future of humanity, society, and government all as seen through the lens of your data, your privacy, and the ethics of AI. This is a conversation we need to be having now. Every week, we are redefining the boundaries between AI ethics, data and ways humans coexist with machines. Listen here each week, to learn from experts who are on the frontlines defining how will work and live for decades aheadThis week's guest is David Shrier. David Shrier is CEO and co-founder of Esme Learning, an AI-powered digital learning platform. He is a leading AI futurist who has driven $9 billion worth of technology initiatives for Fortune 1000 companies and private equity. Shrier currently holds an appointment as Professor of Practice (AI and Innovation) at Imperial College Business School, and he is a former MIT New Ventures Officer and lecturer at the MIT Media Lab and he recently founded and an AI ethics institute.Podcast notes:David Shrier: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-shrier3 weekly articles:Artificial Intelligence: the global landscape of ethics guidelines - https://montrealethics.ai/artificial-intelligence-the-global-landscape-of-ethics-guidelines/Why AI-powered EdTech is the future of life-long learning - https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/why-ai-powered-edtech-is-the-future-of-life-long-learning/113658/The Ethics of Artificial Intelligence (AI) - https://www.datamation.com/artificial-intelligence/the-ethics-of-artificial-intelligence-ai/ David Shrier's book: Augmenting Your Career: How to Win at Work In the Age of AI - https://amzn.to/3EvuaDkFor more information visit https://BetweenTwoBots.comOr you can listen to the audio version using your favourite podcast platform.
EP03 - Between Two Bots with Marcell Vollmer from Boston Consulting Group
30-11-2021
EP03 - Between Two Bots with Marcell Vollmer from Boston Consulting Group
Welcome back to Between Two Bots. This is the podcast where we discuss the future of humanity, society, and government, as seen through the lens of your data, your privacy and the ethics of AI. Today’s guest is Dr. Marcell Vollmer, Partner and Director at BCG and advisor to C-Level Executives & Executive Teams on the full range of digital transformation.Every week, we test the boundaries between AI ethics, data and ways humans coexist with machines. Tune in each week to learn from the experts who are on the frontlines defining how will work and live for the next century. We sit today really at the confluence of what I'd call three trends. More automated decisions are being made on our behalf. They have a greater impact on our lives, and frustratingly, there's less transparency than ever, about what goes into the making of those decisions.Speaker notes:Dr. Marcell Vollmer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcellvollmer/3 weekly articles:Americans Need a Bill of Rights for an AI-Powered World - https://www.wired.com/story/opinion-bill-of-rights-artificial-intelligence/Reboot AI with human values - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02693-2Europe wants to champion human rights. So why doesn’t it police biased AI in recruiting? - https://sifted.eu/articles/europe-ai-bias-recruiting/For more information: https://BetweenTwoBots.comOr you can listen to the audio version using your favourite podcast platform.